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		<title>By: Barney Finucane</title>
		<link>http://timoelliott.com/blog/2009/11/olap-is-dead-long-live-analytics.html/comment-page-1#comment-8548</link>
		<dc:creator>Barney Finucane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 15:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest, none of these names are very good. 

OLAP is quite old fashioned. The &quot;online&quot; part is especially odd when you are referring to off line tool. I suppose this is &quot;off line on line analytic processing&quot;. Also the term &quot;processing&quot; harks back to the days when computers were exotic and expensive, and batch processing was high tech. Today processor cost almost nothing and we tend to think more in terms of the user.

Business Intelligence seems to mean the data companies use for analysis. It has a slightly spooky overtone. But more important it overlaps the term &quot;business intelligence&quot;  meaning information about companies. This is painfully obvious at aggregation sites like Alltop, where the business intelligence as it is meant here gets swamped by news sites. I blogged about this recently. Also business intelligence is a mouthful and the abbreviation, BI,  has issues with ambiguity as well.

And as Seth pointed out already, &quot;analytics&quot; gets swamped Web analytics.

So maybe someone should come up with a new name?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest, none of these names are very good. </p>
<p>OLAP is quite old fashioned. The &#8220;online&#8221; part is especially odd when you are referring to off line tool. I suppose this is &#8220;off line on line analytic processing&#8221;. Also the term &#8220;processing&#8221; harks back to the days when computers were exotic and expensive, and batch processing was high tech. Today processor cost almost nothing and we tend to think more in terms of the user.</p>
<p>Business Intelligence seems to mean the data companies use for analysis. It has a slightly spooky overtone. But more important it overlaps the term &#8220;business intelligence&#8221;  meaning information about companies. This is painfully obvious at aggregation sites like Alltop, where the business intelligence as it is meant here gets swamped by news sites. I blogged about this recently. Also business intelligence is a mouthful and the abbreviation, BI,  has issues with ambiguity as well.</p>
<p>And as Seth pointed out already, &#8220;analytics&#8221; gets swamped Web analytics.</p>
<p>So maybe someone should come up with a new name?</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Griffiths</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Griffiths</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 13:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the flash back. In the 1990s I met Nigel Pendse when he was with Comshare and I was getting to learn System W (the precursor to Essbase). Then I worked with Ralph Kimball and got to know the Red Brick team, where we battled against the OLAP issue with prospects. That was why we used to like partnering with a new crowd called BusinessObjects. And at the same time I came across a guy on Compuserve called Neil Raden of Archer Data Systems :)
You probably could have been more explicit when referring to Gartner and BI - it was of course Howard Dresner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the flash back. In the 1990s I met Nigel Pendse when he was with Comshare and I was getting to learn System W (the precursor to Essbase). Then I worked with Ralph Kimball and got to know the Red Brick team, where we battled against the OLAP issue with prospects. That was why we used to like partnering with a new crowd called BusinessObjects. And at the same time I came across a guy on Compuserve called Neil Raden of Archer Data Systems <img src='http://timoelliott.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
You probably could have been more explicit when referring to Gartner and BI &#8211; it was of course Howard Dresner.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Raden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Raden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timo,

Talk about colorful history.

I mentioned a while back that Dorrian and Earle and I worked in the same software company back in the early 80&#039;s (about 100 of us), but it was only two months ago I found out another interesting connection. At the Tableau Software conference, someone approached me and said &quot;Hi Neil.&quot; I had no idea who he was. Then he asked, &quot;How&#039;s Susie?&quot; That&#039;s my wife. &quot;How are Mara, Aja and Jake?&quot; Oh boy, those are my three oldest kids (I have five). So I figured I must have known him from New York, because we had only three kids when we moved to California. With a little chit-chat I finally figured out that he was one of the SE&#039;s who worked for me in New York and was also the first person I hired into my consulting company when I started it in 1985. 

Then he asked me, &quot;Do you remember a salesman in our office named Joe?&quot; I sad, &quot;Sure, Joe Germanotta, I remember him well. Flashy dresser, big personality.&quot; Steve said, &quot;Do you remember that he and his wife had a baby girl when you were still working there?&quot; &quot;Sure,&quot; I said, &quot;we all chipped in and both her a baby gift.&quot; 

&quot;Do you you know who that baby is now?&quot;

&quot;Nope,&quot; I said, &quot;no idea.&quot;

&quot;Lady GaGa.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timo,</p>
<p>Talk about colorful history.</p>
<p>I mentioned a while back that Dorrian and Earle and I worked in the same software company back in the early 80&#8242;s (about 100 of us), but it was only two months ago I found out another interesting connection. At the Tableau Software conference, someone approached me and said &#8220;Hi Neil.&#8221; I had no idea who he was. Then he asked, &#8220;How&#8217;s Susie?&#8221; That&#8217;s my wife. &#8220;How are Mara, Aja and Jake?&#8221; Oh boy, those are my three oldest kids (I have five). So I figured I must have known him from New York, because we had only three kids when we moved to California. With a little chit-chat I finally figured out that he was one of the SE&#8217;s who worked for me in New York and was also the first person I hired into my consulting company when I started it in 1985. </p>
<p>Then he asked me, &#8220;Do you remember a salesman in our office named Joe?&#8221; I sad, &#8220;Sure, Joe Germanotta, I remember him well. Flashy dresser, big personality.&#8221; Steve said, &#8220;Do you remember that he and his wife had a baby girl when you were still working there?&#8221; &#8220;Sure,&#8221; I said, &#8220;we all chipped in and both her a baby gift.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;Do you you know who that baby is now?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Nope,&#8221; I said, &#8220;no idea.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Lady GaGa.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Cox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregory Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 18:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I would say that the trend is likely due to the term Google Analytics creating a household knowledge of &#039;analytics&#039;. The dips and mountains fit.

http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=analytics%2Cgoogle%20analytics%2Cweb%20analytics%2Cwebsite%20analytics&amp;cmpt=q</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I would say that the trend is likely due to the term Google Analytics creating a household knowledge of &#8216;analytics&#8217;. The dips and mountains fit.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=analytics%2Cgoogle%20analytics%2Cweb%20analytics%2Cwebsite%20analytics&#038;cmpt=q" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=analytics%2Cgoogle%20analytics%2Cweb%20analytics%2Cwebsite%20analytics&#038;cmpt=q</a></p>
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		<title>By: Twitter chatter link for December 25 — MPThree Consulting Inc.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Twitter chatter link for December 25 — MPThree Consulting Inc.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Timo Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timo Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 06:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just FYI, I just came up with an explanation for this. As Seth points out, the volumes are relative. So the declines of Oracle and IBM are mainly due to the fact that Google search is going beyond the early adopters (who tended to search for technical terms) to the general population (where vendor searches get buried by Paris or Perez Hilton). But why would SAP stay steady? Because, unlike IBM and Oracle, business people actually know they&#039;re using SAP -- IBM sells infrastructure, and most of the Oracle search terms are to do with the database. Sound reasonable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just FYI, I just came up with an explanation for this. As Seth points out, the volumes are relative. So the declines of Oracle and IBM are mainly due to the fact that Google search is going beyond the early adopters (who tended to search for technical terms) to the general population (where vendor searches get buried by Paris or Perez Hilton). But why would SAP stay steady? Because, unlike IBM and Oracle, business people actually know they&#8217;re using SAP &#8212; IBM sells infrastructure, and most of the Oracle search terms are to do with the database. Sound reasonable?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter O'Donnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter O'Donnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neat post . I did a similar thing doing keyword searches on trade press articles a few years ago - and over a much longer time period (the databases go back decades) - using terms like &quot;decision support&quot; &quot;executive information systems&quot; etc. I figured the number of times trade press used a term was some sort of surrogate for the popularity of the term. The curves exactly match a product life cycle curve - the terms come in an out of fashion just like consumer products. 

With my colleague, David Arnott, I published a paper on the rise and fall of the term &quot;Business process reengineering&quot; which also matched a product life cycle curve.

OLAP is a great example of that - early its just for innovators, later as it becomes more established there are variations (ROLAP, MOLAP etc) just like a consumer product - think blue lines in tooth paste to make one brand seem different or better to the others. Now its in decline and it&#039;s being replaced - this isn&#039;t a passive process either I don&#039;t think - it is driven by the vendors. They do have products to sell and using the same terms for years and year doesn&#039;t work, so its no accident that popularity of the terms matches a product life cycle.

One last comment, I think Tom Davenport&#039;s book on analytics has been an important boost in the rise of the use of that term in our context - Seth&#039;s comment about its use in web analytics is a good point, but I&#039;ve always thought of web analytics as a subset of what we do anyway. The term has been around for a very long time but is as you show is only now becoming popular.

POD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neat post . I did a similar thing doing keyword searches on trade press articles a few years ago &#8211; and over a much longer time period (the databases go back decades) &#8211; using terms like &#8220;decision support&#8221; &#8220;executive information systems&#8221; etc. I figured the number of times trade press used a term was some sort of surrogate for the popularity of the term. The curves exactly match a product life cycle curve &#8211; the terms come in an out of fashion just like consumer products. </p>
<p>With my colleague, David Arnott, I published a paper on the rise and fall of the term &#8220;Business process reengineering&#8221; which also matched a product life cycle curve.</p>
<p>OLAP is a great example of that &#8211; early its just for innovators, later as it becomes more established there are variations (ROLAP, MOLAP etc) just like a consumer product &#8211; think blue lines in tooth paste to make one brand seem different or better to the others. Now its in decline and it&#8217;s being replaced &#8211; this isn&#8217;t a passive process either I don&#8217;t think &#8211; it is driven by the vendors. They do have products to sell and using the same terms for years and year doesn&#8217;t work, so its no accident that popularity of the terms matches a product life cycle.</p>
<p>One last comment, I think Tom Davenport&#8217;s book on analytics has been an important boost in the rise of the use of that term in our context &#8211; Seth&#8217;s comment about its use in web analytics is a good point, but I&#8217;ve always thought of web analytics as a subset of what we do anyway. The term has been around for a very long time but is as you show is only now becoming popular.</p>
<p>POD</p>
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		<title>By: Timo Elliott</title>
		<link>http://timoelliott.com/blog/2009/11/olap-is-dead-long-live-analytics.html/comment-page-1#comment-3989</link>
		<dc:creator>Timo Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point! BusinessObjects going down makes sense -- it&#039;s now a sub-brand of a much bigger group. SAP looks pretty stable (slightly more than business intelligence?). What&#039;s really interesting is this chart, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/trends?q=oracle,+sap,+ibm&amp;ctab=0&amp;geo=all&amp;date=all&amp;sort=0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;comparing SAP with Oracle and IBM&lt;/a&gt;: 
&lt;img src=&quot;http://timoelliott.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/sap-oracle-ibm-trend.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;SAP, Oracle, IBM trend&quot; /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point! BusinessObjects going down makes sense &#8212; it&#8217;s now a sub-brand of a much bigger group. SAP looks pretty stable (slightly more than business intelligence?). What&#8217;s really interesting is this chart, <a href="http://www.google.com/trends?q=oracle,+sap,+ibm&#038;ctab=0&#038;geo=all&#038;date=all&#038;sort=0" rel="nofollow">comparing SAP with Oracle and IBM</a>:<br />
<img src="http://timoelliott.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/sap-oracle-ibm-trend.jpg" alt="SAP, Oracle, IBM trend" /></p>
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		<title>By: bLAh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bLAh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timo, judging by the Google Trends charts for &quot;Business Objects&quot; and &quot;SAP&quot;, those are slowly dying as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timo, judging by the Google Trends charts for &#8220;Business Objects&#8221; and &#8220;SAP&#8221;, those are slowly dying as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Grimes</title>
		<link>http://timoelliott.com/blog/2009/11/olap-is-dead-long-live-analytics.html/comment-page-1#comment-3979</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Grimes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barney, a precision about my view of &quot;analytics.&quot;  My take is that business analytics is a subset of business intelligence, one part of a larger BI toolkit.  If we had a comprehensive BI-analytics taxonomy, we would see Web analytics as a variety of BI.  It&#039;s not seen that way because analytical tools are siloed by application -- some are broad, some focused -- and Web and so-called business analytics are in different silos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barney, a precision about my view of &#8220;analytics.&#8221;  My take is that business analytics is a subset of business intelligence, one part of a larger BI toolkit.  If we had a comprehensive BI-analytics taxonomy, we would see Web analytics as a variety of BI.  It&#8217;s not seen that way because analytical tools are siloed by application &#8212; some are broad, some focused &#8212; and Web and so-called business analytics are in different silos.</p>
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